Oppo Tire Advice?

"K-Roll-PorscheTamer" (k-roll390) 06/22/2018 at 11:03 • Filed to: Tires

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It’s about time to replace the P-Zero summer tires on my Mustang, but I’m not sure what to go with and I’m rather budget conscious. Any help would be appreciated. But I have a series of dilemmas.

My dilemma is that because of poor rotation, only the fronts are at the wear bars and the rears have maybe 1/4" of tread left at best (this is what happens when you rotate the summers yourself after winter and neglect to tell the dealership what you did and not notice until it’s too late). So I only intend moving the still good rears up front and getting new rubber for the rear.

The second dilemma is that I’ve always had a summer/winter wheel/tire setup but now I’m considering running an all-season/winter setup or all seasons entirely because of mixed feelings on whether or not I truly need summer tires. I’ve only been to the track once in the two years I’ve had the car, and never pushed the limits of the tire anywhere else to my knowledge, not even Cars and Coffee. I know that all-seasons are jacks of all trades and that an arbitrary number cannot be put on a possible loss/gain ratio between the two, but would I really be losing anything from going to all-seasons from summers?? I found the P-Zeros to be “meh”, if it means anything.

The only overall pro is that traction should arguably increase regardless because I intend on going up from 255s to 275s to better fit my 10" wheels. What would you/should I do?

gettingoldercarguy > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 06/22/2018 at 11:07

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Continental extreme contact sport, especially if you have to drive in the rain.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Continental&tireModel=ExtremeContact+Sport

Nibby > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 06/22/2018 at 11:12

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33" all terrains

Sampsonite24-Earth's Least Likeliest Hero > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 06/22/2018 at 11:16

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just go with a high performance all season, youll be fine and itll save you so much money vs doing a summer/winter setup

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 06/22/2018 at 11:17

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I’m a fan of BFG GForce Sport comps’s. I have them on my mazda and they handle really well, and are very inexpensive.

That Bastard Kurtis - An Attempt to Standardize My Username Across Platforms > Nibby 06/22/2018 at 11:19

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Yep.  BFGs with the white letters turned out.

Cash Rewards > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 06/22/2018 at 11:19

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Wait, the problem is that the rears have more tread left than the front? Isn't a great big smoky burn out the answer here?

ITA97, now with more Jag @ opposite-lock.com > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 06/22/2018 at 11:20

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I don’t know what size you’re running, but my recommendation for more budget conscious tires would be to look at the either the Sumitomo (made by Falken) HTR ZIII for summer tires, or the HTR A/S P02. I’ve run both tires on cars in the past , and they are good tires for what they are, respectively , and they are absolutely fantastic when the price point is factored in.

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Sumitomo&tireModel=HTR+A%2FS+P02+%28W-Speed+Rated%29

https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Sumitomo&tireModel=HTR+Z+III

Both of these tires are also sold by discount/america’s tire, which often works out cheaper once shipping is factored in when compared to ordering them online (although Amazon is starting to get into the tire game in a big way, and with prime shipping they’re often a good deal if they carry what you’re looking for).

BeaterGT > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 06/22/2018 at 11:22

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Have these on my Legacy GT as well, no problems at all although traction for me is never really an issue.

404 - User No Longer Available > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 06/22/2018 at 11:23

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I was originally considering the Pilot Sport 4S, but my driving pattern and the price pushed me to Firestone Indy 500s a.k.a. Bridgestone RE003. Mind you that also pushed me from Max Perf to Ultra Perf.

Had the V12 before, but towards the end they were meh on damp roads with lots of tread.

CaptDale - is secretly British > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 06/22/2018 at 11:24

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Honestly I love my Nitto NT555 G2s

My citroen won't start > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 06/22/2018 at 11:25

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Pilot Sport 4s, always go with Pilot Sport 4s.

Milky > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 06/22/2018 at 11:27

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Winters are really  nice to have though. All seasons just can't match.  

Future next gen S2000 owner > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 06/22/2018 at 11:27

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RS-4s with a winter set. You will notice the difference between all seasons and the winter tires. So you could run all seasons and winters but that is kinda dumb in my opinion. It isn’t so much that you are running a dedicated summer tire but you would be losing a dedicated winter tire.

But yeah, RS-4's. 

Future next gen S2000 owner > Cash Rewards 06/22/2018 at 11:27

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This.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Cash Rewards 06/22/2018 at 11:27

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The rears have more tread because I wanted more tread in the rears than the fronts. When the new tires come in I’ll swap the rears to the front and finish off the current fronts with a burnout. 

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 06/22/2018 at 11:28

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Is that a summer or all season? And inexpensive by how much?

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > BeaterGT 06/22/2018 at 11:29

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My car has 150 HP, traction is not an issue unless it’s icy or snowy. I run real snow tires in the winter because I live where it snows copious amounts.

Wagon Guy drives a Boostang > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 06/22/2018 at 11:34

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As a Texan, I only run Summer tires. I wouldn’t even consider an “all-season” for a Mustang. I’m currently running Ohtsu FP8000 on my street wheels for daily use and I really like them. They’re made by Falken, and are low cost for a performance summer tire.->

https://lmr.com/item/OHT-F30483912/ohtsu-285-35-19-fp8000-tire

Because I autocross and track on a semi-regular basis, my second set of wheels are loaded up with Bridgestone RE71Rs.

citrus > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 06/22/2018 at 11:42

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All seasons in the winter gets old reallly quick, especially if you’re used to snow tires o n a bigger rw d car.

I’ve had Conti dws06 and pilot sport as3+ on my caprice for three season use, they’re expensive but to me worth it. I run blizzaks in the winter

Also, is nt 275 kinda small for a 10" wheel?

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 06/22/2018 at 11:49

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It’s a summer tire. I wouldn’t drive it on ice and snow. I paid $88/tire for a 205/55/R 16. I had all season’s on my car and the difference is huge. The summer tires just do everything better than the all seasons.

Cash Rewards > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 06/22/2018 at 11:53

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Film it!

Nibby > That Bastard Kurtis - An Attempt to Standardize My Username Across Platforms 06/22/2018 at 12:01

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K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Highlander-Datsuns are Forever 06/22/2018 at 12:02

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I’m gonna need a 275/40/R19

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > gettingoldercarguy 06/22/2018 at 12:03

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Michigan’s weather is very sporadic. The P-Zeros aren’t too kind in the wet. 

dogisbadob > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 06/22/2018 at 12:03

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What tire size?

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > dogisbadob 06/22/2018 at 12:30

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255/40/R19 currently. I plan on going to 275/40/R19, but one pair at a time.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > citrus 06/22/2018 at 12:32

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I fully intend on keeping my winter setup, I just need something new for my summer setup right now. What’s the difference between a three-season and all-season tire?

Jayhawk Jake > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 06/22/2018 at 12:46

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It really depends on what “performance” you’re looking for. Many tires are really grippy on the street and then very mediocre on track or autocross. And if you’re just going to daily, many of the best performing tires are really bad to drive on the street.

My all seasons are BFGoodrich Sport Comp A/S and I really like them. They definitely grip better than the stock Goodyears did on the Ecoboost, and I can pretty confidently toss the car around on the street even with 255 square.

Continental DWS are one of the most oft cited “best not-200tw tire” from a performance standpoint, but I imagine they aren’t terribly cheap. Firestone Firehawk Indy 500 are somewhat popular as summer tires, but I’ve heard they’re mediocre in rain.

As far as the rears go? If you want to pretend you’re a drag racer you can always get slicks. But I would go 285 on a 10" rim, you might be surprised to find 285 tires can be less expensive than 275. I run 275 front 285 rear with my RE-71Rs, the 285's were $30 less. 

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Cash Rewards 06/22/2018 at 12:49

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That’s what I did with my first burnout!

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Jayhawk Jake 06/22/2018 at 12:54

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I would like a tire that’s great to daily and good/great for a spirited drive. If I decide to randomly join an autoX or track day, I would hope the tires could hold up but that would be the tertiary benefit.

You get snow where you are if I remember right but you’ve also got a winter setup no? Or do you just have a single all-season set, and if so, how does that work for you? The PP tires that came with my Ecoboost where pretty good on the track and admittedly rough on our crappy roads but tolerable. And if I can find the right 285 I’ll happily go with it.

Highlander-Datsuns are Forever > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 06/22/2018 at 12:54

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I have no idea. I usually do a search on tire rack and just look at tread patterns and wear rates. The BFG’s are highly recommended.

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > Wagon Guy drives a Boostang 06/22/2018 at 13:02

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Since I intend on keeping the winter set I just need tires that can handle daily and spirited driving with the off-chance I do an autoX or track day maybe once in a year max.

merged-5876237249235911857-hrw8uc > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 06/22/2018 at 13:59

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I’ve had good success with Contis DWS and also pilot sport AS.  The Contis used to be a lot cheaper than the pilots,  but not so much anymore.  But you won’t go wrong with either.  If you end up tracking the car, get a dedicated set for that use if need be.

dogisbadob > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 06/22/2018 at 14:12

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Actually, Discount Tire Direct will be having a good sale soon (for the 4th of July), which will make it much more cost-effective to b uy all four at once.

There’s also the Sumitomo HTR Z III, a low-priced max performance tire. The Falken FK510 is also good.

Captain of the Enterprise > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 06/22/2018 at 14:23

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I actually forgot about your Mustang. I’m used to just seeing then Porsche. I live in Michigan and tend to run all seasons and winters but I’ve never had a performance car so I don’t think I’d notice the difference anyway. Plus I don’t drive hard on the streets anymore I’m more laid back now so all seasons have been fine for me. 

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > dogisbadob 06/22/2018 at 14:46

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How good of a deal are we talking? I can certainly wait until then, but sooner wouldn’t be worse.

dogisbadob > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 06/22/2018 at 14:54

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Usually well over $100, almost enough to over the cost of a whole tire, even in your size

K-Roll-PorscheTamer > dogisbadob 06/22/2018 at 14:58

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That’s a deal worth waiting for, easily.

Wagon Guy drives a Boostang > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 06/22/2018 at 15:55

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The Ohtsu’s seem to handle some spirited driving pretty well, though I don’t know about autocross on them, since I have the others. If I lived in a place where it snowed, I would have three sets with the dedicated winters.

gettingoldercarguy > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 06/22/2018 at 18:02

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We get a lot of rain in the pnw and the Continentals are amazing in grip.  I think they're right up there with the Michelin tires.  Maybe better in the wet iirc.

citrus > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 06/22/2018 at 18:08

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there isn’t a difference between three and all season, I was just saying I use them for three seasons and run snow tires in the winter.

I used the conti’s in the snow for a while and honestly i could have made it work, but I just got tired of babying the car all the time (also understeer)

the as3+ in the snow wasn’t really fun, but that may have been the 3/32 tread and the 285 section width more than the tire itself

PS, even with the underwhelming snow performance, the as3+ is absolutely unflappable in the rain. I’ve literally never hydroplaned 

Jayvincent > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 06/22/2018 at 20:07

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I’ve got BFGoodrich G-force Comp-2s on my son’s car since January in 225/40R18s and they are great in the rain, even heavy rain, and plenty sticky for “spirited” driving as promised by the 400 treadwear rating . I haven’t tracked them, so no advice there, but l ooks like $230 each on tire rack in your size:

G-FORCE COMP-2 A/S Ultra High Performance All-Season

Size: 275/40ZR19 101W

Serv. Desc: 101W

UTQG: 400 AA A

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Jayhawk Jake > K-Roll-PorscheTamer 06/23/2018 at 13:51

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My only caution on any all season type tire for autocross is they can heat up and chunk off. Wider treads are better, like the BFG Comp 2.

I don’t have a winter setup, I have all season “dailies” and the summer tires. I usually don’t leave the summers on for more than autocross, though they’re on for a few weeks now. We don’t get much snow at all, so all seasons have been fine for me. We got ice this year and my BFGs were struggling, but it was ice so I’m not sure a winter would have been much better.

Honestly? Any well reviewed “tire rack tested” performance oriented all season will probably be perfect for spirited driving and occasional track stuff. I actually think it’s fun to use the less than best tires on the street because you can keep yourself in check without going extremely fast. If I pushed the limit on my RE-71Rs on the street I’d be putting myself in danger